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Ron Brown · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: 300 Blackout build started

Well, maybe I should have said "I ordered a barrel".

Now, I'm faced with all kinds of decisions to take, "Purple or Lime Green" on the hardware? Do I use the Jewel Trigger I have .... or order a Rock River two-stage?

There are a lot of options when building an AR platform. Just about every aspect of it can be modified in one way or another. I feel lucky that I like simple things and don't like stuff hanging out all over a gun.

I will be using the 1:8 twist barrel for subsonic bullet stabilization. I'll probably use a low to moderate powered scope and find a way to mount a decent light and that is about all.

Ron
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Ron Myers · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:47 am Post subject:

Sounds awesome!

David K sold me on the RRA two stage trigger. I like it! Very good trigger.

I have to say I've enjoyed this new AR I assembled more than any rifle I have. Can't wait to take it out to the range again tomorrow. Looking forward to taking it out again to hunt in a couple of weeks.

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: Re: 300 Blackout build started

David K · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:08 am Post subject:

congrats Ron, you'll have alot of fun

Bill, think he has a CMMG barrel on order, they are hard to come by right now, think Wilson Combat got a bunch in stock and sold them fast, but thats what I built my .300 Blk with.

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:05 am Post subject:

Thanks David I'll ck them out...everybody seems to be out of stock except Noveske.. If i had $450 to buy a barrel, I'd buy a complete upper. Laughing

Bill

ps...I got the package...thanks! Yours will go out after this weekend (road trip to Lubbock to take friend's race car to fabrication shop)
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Ron Brown · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject:

Mark · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject:

I have a RRA 2-Stage Trigger and compared to the standard AR trigger, it's night and day. I'm very pleased with it.

I too plan on getting a suppressed 300 blk (not in the near future). But I want to start the process of being able to purchase a suppressor. They joys of living in Harris County, the SO will NOT sign the form allowing me to have one. So, I'm looking at having a NFA Trust done. I spoke with a few people and Class 3 dealers, they advised me to do the trust through a lawyer.

Good luck with everything and keep us posted.

Mark

tommytornado · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject:

That Jewel trigger is just as good as the Rock River in my opinion, and you can't go wrong with either.
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Mark · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject:

I have no experience with these, how would the RRA 2 Stage compare to the Timney?

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject:

A two stage trigger is just that and some are really crisp and light, I don't think I'll ever become comfortable using one for hunting or defense. My experience with two stage triggers and gloves in cold weather have not been what I would call successful or even safe.When using a properly tuned single stage trigger I have more control as to when the shot will commence.No surprises there!
Bill Rolling Eyes

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Colby Thorson · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject:

Love my rock river trigger!!
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David K · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:21 am Post subject:

Ron Myers · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:34 am Post subject:

I really like the RRA two stage and the Savage Accutrigger on my .308. Pull up and then a nice break.

Hear great things about the Timneys but no experience with them.

Mark · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:41 am Post subject:

Ron Brown · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:04 am Post subject:

David K · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:59 am Post subject:

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:20 am Post subject:

I weaned myself of most factory triggers when shooting silhouette back in the 80's and 90's and even had most of my hunting arms with trigger pulls under three lbs, and competition guns as low as 10-12oz..I never used a gloved finger for any trigger, and found myself flinching (false pull) on two stage trigger groups, and was afraid to lighten up a trigger with any take-up or slack...Just me..Hard to change old habits even though my lightest trigger is over2lbs now Rolling Eyes

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David K · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:45 am Post subject:

i think you would have to try this trigger, much different than other two stage triggers, basically it is just a zero pull slack in the beginning with a definite stop, which is then the single stage, I like it for hunting and target shooting....if we meet someday i'll bring an arsenal so you can try them lol

David K · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:07 am Post subject:

here is a good explanation of two stage trigger:

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Why You Want a Two-Stage Trigger!

by Clint McKee
Fulton Armory

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from rec.guns... Most civilian rifle triggers are single stage. When you place your finger on it and apply pressure, the trigger shouldn't move at all, until it "breaks" and the gun fires. If it does move, it's called "take-up", and usually considered a Bad Thing.

Actually, what you lable as "take-up" in the above para, is called creep, and trigger "creep" is what is considered a "bad thing." Take-up is all together another phenom.

So let's understand the differences between "take-up" and "creep." Take-up is a wonderfully replicated feeling/action, found in 2 stage triggers, in preparation of firing, and creep is when you think you are trying to fire, but you just seem to keep pulling the trigger & it does not break cleanly. Creep is found in both single & double stage triggers.

Now, why do those who have experienced a good 2 stage trigger want a 2 stage trigger?

First, gas guns require a far greater pull weight than bolt guns, to be safe/legal for competition. So, when you must have a 4.5 lbs trigger, it's nice to split the weight between 2 stages, instead of one!

Second, many want a relatively heavy trigger for defense/law enforcement applications.

Third, there is a certain confidence in a 2 stage trigger. You pull through the first stage, and when you get to the "stop", you know you are on the ragged edge, and any movement of the trigger will fire the rifle. This is so in a match 2 stage trigger.

--Clint McKee
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Ron Myers · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject:

The last paragraph is an excellent description of that trigger. You really do know you are one twitch away from firing, and that's what makes that trigger. Gives you the confidence and knowledge of when the trigger will trip.

Mark · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject:

Ron Brown · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:54 am Post subject:

Ron Myers · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:14 am Post subject:

Colby Thorson · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:17 am Post subject:

Guys.... An AR10 in 308 is not effective.... So you should just donate them to me! Laughing

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Ron Brown · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:24 am Post subject:

If I have learned ONE thing in my life, it is that most folks know little about lubrication and oils.

Don't think I am knocking or agreeing on one type of lubrication concept or a second or third. "Run it wet" might mean diesel in cold weather or grease in the tropics.

I certain climates and conditions, oil 'lubricants' are going to become a carrier for contaminates and such and 'running it dry', with the proper lubricants, might be the proper option.

I'm really glad 'the wrong lube', for me, is a feed malfunction or stuck case and at worse, a missed followup shot.

Ron
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