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Paul Burkett · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:13 am Post subject: What are these rifles?

Many years ago my now deceased Grandfather became a gunsmith, his gun collection and smithing equipment passed to my Father, after he died my Mother had us divvy up the guns and I ended up with some rifles and barrels that I know little to nothing about. I hope that some of our experts here can help me to identify them before summer as I plan to sell them.

The first one might have had the stock replaced since it doesn’t have a hole in the butt for the cleaning rod, There is a stamp on the barrel that indicates that it is a Remington 7MM S.M. I think it was made in 1903.

http://airdoc.smugmug.com/photos/i-HPv5qT6/2/M/i-HPv5qT6-M.jpg

The second is barrel only marked 45-70, serial number 42375, and with this as the patent date March 16, 1. I think it is 1873.

http://airdoc.smugmug.com/photos/i-8r67XVz/2/M/i-8r67XVz-M.jpg

This one is barrel only, Remington 22RL, patent date Sept 9, 1873 serial# 5980, I can’t find any pictures on the web so I don’t know if it went to a leaver action or not.

http://airdoc.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmDxXRk/2/M/i-dmDxXRk-M.jpg

This one, barrel only, says Marlin Firearms Patented Oct. 11, 1887 it is a 32-40

http://airdoc.smugmug.com/photos/i-n2c5CWv/2/M/i-n2c5CWv-M.jpg

Thank you for your help, I know old furnaces and air conditioners and not enough about old rifles.[/img]
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Ron Brown · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:27 am Post subject:

The first one appears to be an old Remington Rolling block rifle. Probably 7X57 or 7X57R. There were literally tons of those made for military organizations.

Numbers 2 and 3 also appear to be rolling block receivers missing parts. It is hard to tell from the monitor view.

The first one might be made into a working rifle an would be a good hog gun. The rest could be used to club things to death.

I hope you find someone who can use the partial guns.

Ron
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Burt · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 am Post subject:

the Marlin barrel looks to be a half round, half octagon barrel, and is most
likely taken off a lever action rifle.
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Burt · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject:

I was gonna mention bumper jack handles, tent pegs, or used as rebar also, but
decided that was obvious. Not sure if they're long enough for fence posts though. Razz

Trot line weights ? Bundled together for an anchor maybe ?
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Paul Burkett · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject:

I know that they are old and moldy but I am cheap and don't want to throw them in the garbage. I'm sure that with the information I've gotten so far and what ever else I can find out, some gun restorer will want to bring them back to life or Franken Gun them, something other than storing them in Davy Jones Locker. Laughing

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Billy F Hillgartner · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject:

Paul, clean 'em up a bit, and mount 'em on a nice rustic board, AND MAKE UP YOU OWN STORY AS TO THEIR HISTORICAL SIGNIFIANCE. Rolling Eyes

If nothing else, they be good conversation pieces. C'ya Very Happy

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Paul Burkett · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject:

I would rather try to kiss the president (God please forgive the thought), rather than try to get my wife to let me hang it in the house. I had to fight her to let me have a wood office desk chair for MY OFFICE.
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Billy F Hillgartner · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:59 am Post subject:

Well Paul it sounds like it's time for you to either build you a suitable man cave, or put them on loan to your local pub or coffee shop. Which ever is the most peaceful. Very Happy

Or "Be A Real Man, and drop to the floor, kicking, screaming, crying and begging her to let you at least mount them on either the garage or cellar walls." Laughing

(I recall a lot of homes in Ill. have cellars.) And I thought it was such a good idea. Rolling Eyes

C'ya

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VTDW · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 am Post subject:

Let me know if you decide not to use the 32/40 bbl for a fence post.

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Burt · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject:

VTDW · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject:

I figger it just may!
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Paul Burkett · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:13 am Post subject:

I ran a swab down the barrel to clean the dust out of it and it ...is... perfect. You can see all six groves.
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VTDW · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:17 am Post subject:

Ah ha...ballard.
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Paul Burkett · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:22 am Post subject:

Ballard?
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Burt · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:20 am Post subject:

Ballard rifling.
http://cap-n-ball.com/ballard.htm

Paul Burkett · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:06 am Post subject:

The OAL is 26", 3/4" threaded, 10 3/4" Octagon, 14 3/4" round. All of the other Ballard barrels are longer. I wonder if the barrel was cut down a couple of inches, if that is the case it isn't going to be worth anything but rebar and anchor material.
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s10goes10s · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:15 am Post subject:

Billy F Hillgartner · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: OAL

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Paul Burkett · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject:

The internet is like like Alice's Restaurant, you can get anything you want on it.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1137380&catid=3969
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject:

Looked up #2, it the New York State Militia Model...
have located a hammer $90 Trigger guard $100 locking lever spring $10 and a cleaning rod $35....Parts add up pretty quickly when trying to restore these old beauties! Shocked

Still searching for trigger, locking lever, breech block, and misc springs and screws... Rolling Eyes

Bill
http://www.rollingblockparts.com/nys.html
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject:

The third pic of the 22 barreled receiver is the #2 Model with Straight Bar Extractor, and is one of the more numerous models found.
Bill
http://www.rollingblockparts.com/no2.html
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Paul Burkett · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject:

Dave, what does the "JM" stand for? This one has the JM stamp as well as an Omega stamp.
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