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Justin Sain · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: Accupoint

(stick with me on this post, I know I'm all over the place with it)

I borrowed an Accupoint once and liked it, but that was long before I ever knew the joy of night hunting. I think we can all agree that going out in the field with your stuff at night quickly makes you realize what you like/don't like and what you need/want.

I'm gathering parts for a pretty sweet .458 build and am at the point where I'm shopping/saving for a scope. I'm a "buy once/cry once" type of guy, but far from a "money is no object" type. (meaning, I'll do without and save a little bit longer to get what I really want *within reason of course*)

Anyway, through my somewhat educated opinion, what I've come to the conclusion that I want is the Trijicon Accupoint listed below, the reasons I'm leaning towards it are:

The big objective lens
The fact(?) that I think I remember you can turn the brightness down pretty decent, but I don't remember/know if that was just the fiberoptic part and the dot stays pretty bright or if it's too bright?
I like that it goes up to 10x, I'm thinking I'll be able to see better how I want, I can always dial it back.

I *think* I remember treading somewhere that BW regarded the accupoint as being a really good choice for hogs, but I don't remember what model it was and or if this one would be better/worse and/or why (that's why I'm posting)

What's your thoughts?

Here's a pic and the specs

Pic
http://www.natchezss.com/images/products/TRTR221.jpg

ACCUPOINT 2.5-10X56 STD CH W/AD

The largest and most powerful Trijicon riflescope on the market, the TR22 AccuPoint has extreme light gathering capabilities with a huge 56mm objective lens, 30mm tube and the highest quality glass available. The scope is illuminated though the use of fiber optics and tritium, providing a vivid aiming point without the need for failure-prone batteries. The AccuPoint is also waterproof to ten feet. If your hunting calls for long distance shots, this AccuPoint is for you.

SPECIFICATIONS:

* Magnification: 2.5-10
* Objective Size: 56
* Bullet Drop Compensator: No
* Length (in): 13.80
* Weight (oz): 20.70
* Illumination source: Fiber Optics & Tritium
* Field of View @ 100yrds (ft): 37.6 to 10.1
* Reticle: Standard Duplex Crosshair
* Day/ Night Reticle Color: Amber/ Amber
* Eye Relief: 4.1 - 2.8 in
* Exit Pupil: 16.3 - 5.6 mm
* Adjustment @ 100 yds: 4 Clicks/In
* Tube Size: 30mm

Paul Burkett · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject:

Good choice, I have this same model but went with the mil-dot and amber crosshair. The glass is great as it lets in a lot of light even at night, the amber is bright without flare and can be adjusted by turning the ring around the Tritium light source, also, I am partially color blind to blue and green. I chose the Mil-dot because I like dot sights, the Mil-dot can let me gauge size to distance if I need but leaves the sight picture open so that I can see the whole picture with both eyes open and very little obstruction from large cross hairs.
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Justin Sain · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject:

I like the thinking about using the mildots to judge size, that's something I hadn't thought of, I was going with the cross-hair on the recommendation that thick cross-hairs were easy to pick up against a dark hog in low light, but duh, the dot fixes all that! Truth be told, I like the way the mildot looks better anyway.

David K · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject:

i've looked through different accupoints, but don't own one.

So what I would like to know, a comparison between the accupoint and the weavers that we all just bought, which some of us per Bill W's recommendation bought this one, which was about the same price retail as the trijicon:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WE800704&src=exrbSrch

and they also have this one that has the 56mm objective:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WE800705&src=exrbSrch

the way i look at it, $300 vs $870 I can live with 'pretty close'

Justin Sain · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject:

I was actually looking at those also and don't really have any *good* basis on swaying towards the Trijicon. Just going by the specs and how much people like the weaver, I'm *thinkin* that the accu will be all that and a little bit more quality/durability.

Keep in mind, I'm *not* trying to justify the price diff by saying the accu is better than the weaver, because I'm not. (well, technically I guess I did) BUT a little background on this build might explain where I'm coming from. I've got a safe full of "high medium grade" guns, but none that are "all out" if you know what I mean.

A friend of mine is in the same boat and culled out some of his so/so ones and built one REALLY nice one, all out 12.5" bbl, suppressor, an ACOG, adams arms piston kit in an Armalite SPR (monolithic) upper You get the idea, the thing is SWEET, and it's not just a parts hanger, the thing shoots mag upon mag into about a 1" group.

HE doesn't know the joy of killing pigs. I can't have an SBR or a suppressor where I live, BUT I have a wonderful sister with a lot of land and too many pigs that I love to go visit! So what better way to fill the gap between his cool stuff and mine, but with superior firepower!

ANYway, I'd been wanting to do the same by building one "all out" (within reason) rifle. I've wanted to build a .458 since they 1st started talking about them (no not on the TV show haha) So I'd finally squirreled some money away and bought a .458bbl, I came across a KILLER deal on this monolithic upper

I'm gonna put a Magpul PRS on it and a Vltor bipod when I shoot off the bench.

Granted, it's not gonna be a featherweight, but 1. it's not gonna be something I lug around, it'll either be shot form a bench or a stand. 2. the added weight would soak up some recoil, but all in all, I don't think it's gonna be any heavier than my Saiga 12, and that's not bad to carry around.

On any other of my rifles, I'd be all about the weaver and probably will put it on one of them just to get some hands on exp with it. But on this particular rifle I'm leaning towards the Trijicon admittedly somewhat for the name BUT with that name comes Trijicons reputation and millspec type durability to help handle the .458 recoil (my gut instinct is that the .458's recoil reputation is somewhat over-rated when it comes to killing optics, but the stories are out there). I also like that you can turn the brightness up/down and there's no batteries.

I think the weaver is a better bargain and a lot of scope for the money, but I think the accu is gonna be just a little bit nicer of a scope on this particular build.

Will it be worth the $500? Who knows, I don't even know if time would tell. (I wish I had the money right up front to get both and do side by side field tests) But one things pretty certain, I should finally have "that one" rifle finished in a month or so.

Sorry for the long winded post, but hopefully it shed a little bit of light on what probably looks like the "fool and his money" adage.

Ron Brown · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:10 am Post subject:

Don't forget to open the ejection port.

I like my new RRA .458. Got to shoot it the first time Friday. It thumps.

Ron
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Justin Sain · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:20 am Post subject:

Thanks, Yeah I'm looking forward to milling that out on the mill, I was gonna steadily dremel it, but then the more I thought about it and how I want this one to be a little above the rest, I'm gonna take my time. I should have some pics next week. I'll start a new thread in the right forum.

eta what would you say the recoil is comprible to? .308, 12ga 2 3/4 slugs? I can't wait to hear that big brass drop!

David K · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:33 am Post subject:

good deal Justin....building up guns is fun for sure

as for the scopes, yea i couldn't say one way or another, maybe Bill W. will read this, he has both

the Monolithic uppers are nice, firm mounting, i've got one of mine with Mega Arms billet Monolithic upper with matched billet lower

Ron Brown · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:29 am Post subject:

Justin,

I'd say the recoil is a bit more than a relatively light AR 10. We had a light AR 10 when were were shooting the SOCOM and the 'bump' was a bit more. It was softer but more solid 'hit', if that makes sense.

I am apparently not too recoil sensitive. I have heard complaints about the recoil of a .223 AR15. I am beginning to think it may be muzzle blast that makes some flinch and jerk triggers.

I broke myself from flinching when sighting in a .458 Winchester. I found I would settle the rifle in on bags, flip off the safety and flinch - just thinking about putting my finger into the triggerguard. I learned I just and to settle in and accept what was going to happen.

Ron
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1911man · Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:19 am Post subject:

The 2.5-10x56 Accupoint is probably the very best low light scope on the market at any price!!!

So far my experience is that lightweight .458 SOCOMs are optic killers!!!! My 6# 10oz non-suppressed carbine so far has killed a Leupold VX-R and a Trijicon Accupoint................. Got a $2k Zeiss Victory on it now and so far so good???? My other .458 is heavier and suppressed (reduces recoil substantially) and so far no issues with a Leupold VX-R 3-9x50. I'm shooting 300gr Barnes TAC TX at 1780fps MV which is the HAMMER on hogs big or small !!!
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Justin Sain · Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:32 am Post subject:

Thanks for the replies. Assuming trijicon made good on the accupoint, from reading your post, I'm thinking mine isn't going to be as light for sure, I don't have all the parts yet, because someone is reaaaaaallly dragging their feet shipping stuff. But just going by a comparably built AR, I'm thinking this one is gonna be at LEAST 3lbs heavier than your light one, so far I'm gonna keep on keeping on. I know I don't want it to be so heavy I don't wanna carry it all night, but at the same time, I'm not building it with the intent on carrying it all night either. Waiting on the parts I ordered, and in the meantime looking for someone that wants to trade some guns for the right accupoint (until I save up the money and come to my senses!) I found one guy and he said he would've, but had just sold it earlier that day.

I'll start a seperate thread once the rifle is together and has a final weight.

Paul Burkett · Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject:

Justin, I would suggest that you call Trijicon and ask them if they recommend using their scopes on a .458, Bill has experience with scope/rifle combinations, and it is much better to be safe than sorry. It's only a phone call, but it may save you $850.00 especially if you were to break that scope and Trijicon would chose not repair it.
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