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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: Suppressed and depressed...

I got to try my .300BLK yesterday at a local dealer's home with and without a suppressor, and with supersonic and subsonic loads...The difference ?? WOW!
Unsuppressed, the 125gr supersonic loads were as expected..screw on the suppressor, and it cuts all the muzzle blast out, and the noise is greatly reduced!
Remington 220gr subsonic without the suppressor were considerably quieter than the 125gr loads...With the suppressor, about the equivalent of a 22 short..
This presents a dilema, as my dealer is contacting the manufacturer in Georgia today inquiring about a suppressor for the .458SOCOM...
I want the .458 suppressed, but if I get the .30cal can, I could also use it for a subsonic 6.8 SPC barrel that Bison has with a 1:7 twist for $200.. Rolling Eyes
I'm not sure of the effectiveness of a 200gr 6.8 projectile, but it sure is tempting...I am picking up more inquiries from clients seeking hog removal from residential settings which would be better served quietly.. Rolling Eyes
Whaddayouthink??? .458, or .300 & 6.8?
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Colby Thorson · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject:

I'd get a can for the 458 so you can fit everything all the way down?
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HUEY · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject:

Well subsonic they will all be the same velocity. So the only way to get more power is with more weight. And the 458 makes a bigger hole so it would be the most efficient killer. Will it cycle subsonic?
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject:

The barrel thread on the .458 is 5/8x32 and the standard on all the other big bores is 5/8x24.
I haven't been successful in sourcing an adapter, so I'll give it a try and see if I can make one on my lathe..It has to be exactly concentric to the bore, or a bullet/baffle strike could occur.. Rolling Eyes

Wish me luck!
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject:

Huey, the only subsonic testing on the .458 is with a 340, and a 500gr cast bullet with Trail-Boss powder, and it doesn't have enough pressure due to the fast burn of the powder used to cycle the action..
I've heard that using other powders give more positive results.
I'll also be trying a few different powders as well as the Remington 405gr JSP.
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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

I thought, obviously mistakenly a can had to be for a particular weapon and put on so it could not be removed...also each weapon used w a can had to be, for lack of a better word, registered/taxed/stamped separately??

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject:

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The answer is no. The suppressor is the registered weapon,and can.be used on any legal firearm.by the registered owner!
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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

Bill, I wonder why others have said it has to be welded on or permanently affixed? Confusion or the way the paperwork was done? So the gun has nothing to do with it just the suppressor and you decide what day to put on what weapon?, Each can requires a stamp then switch them up? Thanks

Jaeger · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject:

not 100% sure, but could it be for a non-registered SBR to make it legal length?

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HUEY · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject:

I hear the .300 Bo 220 subsonics tumble on impact. Still will only be a close range hog round at best.
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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

Jaeger, that may be it and I got confused. Thanks

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject:

I hope no one plans to take a barrel of any length other than 16" for a rifle and go to the expense of permanently attaching a suppressor to make the legal 16" length....A waste of money..2 if's, #1 if anything ever goes wrong with the can, you're done,#2 If you want a 16"oal barrel with a can on it, why not do an integrally suppressed barrel in the length you desire, and still only have one stamp involved, or register the lower for an SBR and pay for two stamps and you're done!

On the 220 gr sub...I shot mine @ 75yds on paper, and had nice round holes, if it tumbles after entry, I'll be OK with that if I can manage neck or spine shots.. Rolling Eyes

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David K · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject:

if you use a 458 can for smaller calibers it won't work very well, however the .30 cal can on the 6.8 will work well...

i would go with a .30 call can, can use it for .308, 6.8, 6.5, 5.56, etc....thats what i'm doing

it is hard to suppress the 458, there are some video's online of it, one below, need to shoot really heavy bullets for most effectiveness and probably need to mess around with spring and buffer as noted in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-I9UF2HY4

HUEY · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

Tumble on impact no before lol.
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject:

I figured that was your intended view...all heavy subs should be tested on paper with the can removed to insure they do not have too much yaw or spiraling due to the twist being too slow to stabilize the bullet after it leaves the muzzle..There is the possibility of a baffle strike if not stable enough to clear the muzzle device.. Rolling Eyes

If the bullet yaws after the target is struck...the wound channe could be nasty.. Twisted Evil

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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject:

David, the sound reduction you see and hear in the video is typical of the large bore semi-autos...The 45 pistol cans work OK, (not great but acceptable) on 40,9mm,and 22lr...
If you're a fixed income budget shopper Rolling Eyes

they are totally acceptable if the intent is to always shoot caliber heavy subsonic ammo Wink

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Burt · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject:

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject:

It is my intent to try and keep all my shots well inside the 100yd range...if they tumble after impact, I'd be interested to see the damage the .458 500gr pill can produce @ 1000fps+.... as well as the 220gr .308 @ the same velocity Rolling Eyes

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Randy Tausch · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject:

If you want reliable, subsonic, big bullet performance, that is pellet gun quiet, I beleive the 44 mag is the way to go. We have had great success with it for several years. Bill knows what I'm talking about.
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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

Randy, that is a bolt action .44 and your effective range with 240-300gr bullets?

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:05 am Post subject:

Randy's Ruger is possibly one of the quietest suppressed rifles you will ever experience..A semi auto doesn't stand a chance when put up against a bolt action suppressed..and his is the best!
Randy uses the Hornady300gr XTP with great results out to 75-80yds..I'm sure he is capable of greater distance, but prefers to keep his clients' shots closer.. Wink

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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

I am sorry did he have a can made and the barrel threaded or got the barrel and can complete, it is a Ruger hawkeye right? OH I know my auto .44 will not cycle with subsonic ammo

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:31 am Post subject:

It's a Ruger M77/44, and he has bought them standard and then had them done as well as bought as a complete unit. The barrel length I'm not sure about, but I assume is at least 16", covered by a full length shroud which encompasses the suppressor..I think most of them are now user serviceable, but an earlier one was not... he now has the bolt guns and a Ruger lever 44 Carbine similar to your semi-auto as well...I'm sure Randy or Gerald will chime in with any corrections when they get done hunting.. Wink

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Colby Thorson · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:34 am Post subject:

Randy's 44's are enternal suppressed which means the whole barrel is suppressed
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Bill Winfrey · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:37 am Post subject:

I did forget to mention the integral part when describing the shroud.. Embarassed

Thanks Colby.. Wink

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FrankT · Texasboars Legends Club Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 1754

OK, got it, he bought a gun and then had someone build a barrel internally suppressed...that has to be more costly than a screw on can, I imagine.

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:49 am Post subject:

I'm thinking it would be around the same price as most centerfire rifle caliber suppressors...$950-$1350 ? They will have a better idea than me, however I did send Randy the info to buy one complete for $1050.. Rolling Eyes

I know....What was I thinking??? Rolling Eyes

I was thinking about someone that had Mo Money than this Monkey!! Laughing

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Colby Thorson · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:49 am Post subject:

Bill Winfrey · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:12 am Post subject:

I was expecting a call this evening from my dealer with confirmation that he could be set up as a Texas distributor for the out of state suppressor manufacturer, but no word yet.. Sad

I'm wanting to get the ball rolling on this, time's a wastin'.. Laughing

Really wanting a TX distributor for the suppressors for the .458SOCOM..
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Randy Tausch · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject:

Bill is pretty much right on with his description of the 44's. We have two of the M77's and one of the Model 96's. Gerald's M77 is from SRT Arms in Arizona and both of mine are from S&H in Ok. They are all integrally suppressed. These rifles are very quiet. You can buy them complete or send your own gun to be done by them. The cost is actually around $1000 for the suppressor depending on the gun you choose. You can see all of our equipment at our website.
With our hand loaded subsonic ammo using the 300 gr. bullets, we try not to shoot more than 70 yards but many of our shots are under 40 yards. As you all know, we do our best to get our clients in really close and we are pretty good at it.
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