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FrankT Texasboars Legends Club
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| help me here...Why are they using a 1000fps air gun for 1300 rather than a 500 gun going faster? |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| FrankT wrote: | | help me here...Why are they using a 1000fps air gun for 1300 rather than a 500 gun going faster? |
about the quietest subsonic rifle you will find is about 115db or so, the pellet gun is 89db....thats quiet....
it will actually cost you more than $1300 for the setup on the Benjamin Rogue, you need an air tank and fittings to fill while out in the field, the interesting partis that some of the bullet manufacturers made bullets for it, I haven't seen their reports on bullet performance, would be interesting to see how they expand in the hog... |
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think the .300blk will be quiet enough for my needs. It's reported to be quieter than the mp5sd's we have at work and they are quiet. Plus it cycles. Don't think I want to be sooting an airgun at hogs. _________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 42 dead hogs |
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:51 am Post subject: post subject |
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Except that I don't think the really powerful air guns are all that quiet? Not that many folks really get paid a lot for hog removal, probably, guides like Randy and Gerald are probably more common. And most subdivisions turn to traps and trappers for hog removal, don't even allow bow hunters to take them out.
Still the large caliber air gun is very interesting, and certainly does not require the paperwork of a suppressor. |
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Ron Brown RESPECTED MEMBER
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the airguns are expensive.
I thought good rifle bullets were expensive until I priced 'Airgun Pellets' in large calibers.
I have a .22 caliber airgun with muffler. It IS quiet. It is not enough power for pork harvesting. Eventually, I plan on getting a large caliber air-rifle with integral suppressor.
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Mike...Ever hear back from your suppressor Guy??
Still waiting to hear the results...hopefully very quiet results..
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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X2 _________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 42 dead hogs |
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gstoneberg Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've been in contact with Mike and he has the suppressor back. It seems to be working now with subsonic ammo and he's hoping to get out hog hunting with it soon.
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to be working is not a very positive report. After all the wait and trouble I hope mine does better than "seems". _________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 42 dead hogs |
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gstoneberg Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure I fully captured his sentiment. This is a direct quote, "seems to be properly quiet now with sub sonic rounds" He may be like me, having never shot a suppressed weapon and having no frame of reference other than TVs flawed presentation.
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think the only way to tell for sure is to arrange some range time for us to decide for ourselves.. It could happen... a Guy has to try ya' know
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: post subject |
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| Bill, I got the suppressor back, shot it several times with hand loads I hope were subsonic. Still sounded pretty loud to me, behind the barrel, but my wife was standing about 20 yards to my right and said she only heard a "pop". Shot a couple of "factory" .44 Specials which SHOULD be subsonic, and they were even quieter. Ordered a chronograph, just got it today, so I will be able to check to make sure the rounds ARE subsonic, and if not, adjust them. Definitely better than the first time I shot it, I think it's there now (what George said). Gonna load up some for sure sub sonic loads with 300 gr bullets and give it a try on live targets soon, although maybe not next weekend, as I will be in New Braunfels for the Texas Outdoor Writer's Association Conference. I'll try to get a picture up soon of the weapon, as it is probably a one-of-a-kind. It's not everybody's cup of tea, I'm sure, but i like it, a lot. |
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Glad to hear it's working better...Enjoy the weekend @ the TOWA Conference.
My Dad was a member for an eternity...Dallas Morning News Photographer for 20yrs, retired in 1967........
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: post subject |
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Hmmmm. I graduated from high school in 1968, so I probably didn't know him, but I might know some old timers who did. Mostly a good group, but like any other group ...
I should be able to find some place to try my loads on the chrony Sunday, if the rain stops. Supposed to start here pretty soon and last through tomorrow. Seems like only a few weeks ago we were in a drought, huh?
I would be open to a "road trip" to demonstrate the suppressor - ideas? |
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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On the "road trip thing"....I do have an idea you might be interested in..
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FrankT Texasboars Legends Club
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey Mike, I love the look of your gun w the suppressor, now we are getting your rain here, so as soon as it stops there shoot something!! |
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: post subject |
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| Bill, I'm open to suggestions. |
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TXRancher Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Got my suppressor |
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| Mike H wrote: | Drove to Longview Thursday night and picked up my . 44 mag suppressor from Jim Rodgers of Longview Class III Arms. Heading for the woods shortly to try it out. Don't have any sub-sonic hunting loads worked up yet, just want to give it a try with full power loads, .44 Special loads, and some "light" .44 loads I made up years ago that probably approximate .44 Specials, but with 240 gr Sierra JHP bullets. This is probably a one-of-a-kind gun, single shot Thompson Contender 14" barrel with a 12" rifle suppressor custom made by Jim, for a total barrel length of 20" (suppressor housing overlaps about 6 inches on the barrel). Overall rifle length (using a carbine stock) is 34", weight with ATN Gen I N/V is 10.6 pounds. Will post picture later, if anyone is interested, after I check it for sound.
Jim had invited me on a hog/coyote hunt, but that fell through, and Friday was too foggy for a helicopter hunt, so I'm just going to try it out on my place. |
I know exactly which suppressor is yours. How you liking it? |
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: Post subject |
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| Well, I had no reference point to judge it against, but at first I was disappointed. Sent it back to Jim, and he "fixed" it. Don't really know what he did, but it's working now. I have been playing with my sub sonic load "recipe", using 300 gn Nosler JHP's and Universal powder, and I think I have a load that will work. It's not totally quiet, of course, but you certainly don't need hearing protection, and the sub sonic loads are much quieter that full power loads. After listening to all those suppressed guns going off on a video I found online of a shoot Jim sponsored at Longview, only a very few were quieter than mine, so I think I am going to be happy. I love the gun, the looks and feel of the way we set it up, and I think accuracy is going to be good. Of course, it's a single shot, but I don't mind that - it's what I chose and what I wanted for my use. |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| dealer finally got my suppressor in so I could get in the paperwork, all sent in last tuesday, so the wait is on. |
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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It'll be worth the wait when you get it...in fact I got to use mine last night @ 11:15pm.
I had just started getting ready for bed when the overpowering scent of "Pepe la Phew" began saturating the house..
I have an agreement with a family of skunks that have raised several litters under my house, that entails a "NO SPRAYING" rule..
This has worked for at least 5ys now, but occasionally when Mom is in heat a fight will "erupt" between the Patriarch of the family and a traveling bachelor..
Being there is a No Tolerance policy, I slipped out the back door and made my way around to the front porch and dispatched the intruder with 3 rounds from my suppressed Walther P-22
I was able to return to my newly fumigated room, and finally get to sleep...all without waking any neighbors including the Game Warden and her Retired FBI significant other whose bedroom window was approximately 65yd from the shooting gallery..... Enjoy!
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Mike H SENIOR MEMBER
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: post subject |
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| Good luck. I think it was almost exactly 6 months before I got mine back. Local Mom* Pop gun shop near me had a newspaper ad last week saying they are now selling suppressors and short barreled rifles. Ad says, "If you can legally own a handgun, you can easily qualify for either of these weapons". Yeah, except for a few things NOT required for a handgun, like the background check, sheriff's signature and fingerprints, $200 fee, and 6 months or longer wait. |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, and depending where you're at the sheriff may not sign your paperwork, luckily I know the guys, so had mine back in a day from the SO |
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