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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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nice Bill....how much difference is there between the 7.62x40WT and the 7.62x39?
I just built up a 7.62x39 using an ARP barrel and your TRIM handguard....love that handguard |
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Paul Burkett Texasboars Legends Club

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:46 am Post subject: |
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That is a sweet looking set up that you have, great hogs too. _________________ 2012- 11 pigs Down.
2 Deer Down. |
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1911man RESPECTED MEMBER
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| David K wrote: | nice Bill....how much difference is there between the 7.62x40WT and the 7.62x39?
I just built up a 7.62x39 using an ARP barrel and your TRIM handguard....love that handguard |
Terminal performance wise I doubt you will see a lot of difference, however the 7.62x40WT uses std .308 dia bullets and is more accurate than the 7.62x39 and gives the bolt head a LOT less thrust. Also we're getting 100% function, something I never could get from a 7.62x39 in the AR platform. _________________ Bill Wilson
Circle WC Ranch
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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thanks for the info...i built the 7.62x39 for the heck of it, just to shoot some cheap ammo, should work well for that although i may take it out for a hunt or two....
What magazines are you using? The is the other problem with the 7.62x39, availability of magazines...i am experimenting now on creating new mags from existing mags.... |
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1911man RESPECTED MEMBER
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| David K wrote: | thanks for the info...i built the 7.62x39 for the heck of it, just to shoot some cheap ammo, should work well for that although i may take it out for a hunt or two....
What magazines are you using? The is the other problem with the 7.62x39, availability of magazines...i am experimenting now on creating new mags from existing mags.... |
We remove a portion of the front ribs on the new Lancer L5 AWM mags and they work flawless _________________ Bill Wilson
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| i'll have to check that out, I looked at the mags on the site, might have to pick some up, i'm assuming if they work with the x40WT, would work with the x39 |
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Pitt Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Get magpuls and take the bottom plate, spring and follower out and then file down the front ribs on both sides
I have a 300-221 for subsonic work but the 762x40 sure looks like it has a lot better supersonic ballistics and energy!
May need to get my reamed out to a 40. |
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1911man RESPECTED MEMBER
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Pitt wrote: | Get magpuls and take the bottom plate, spring and follower out and then file down the front ribs on both sides
I have a 300-221 for subsonic work but the 762x40 sure looks like it has a lot better supersonic ballistics and energy!
May need to get my reamed out to a 40. |
The MP 30s will work as you described, but not the 20s. The new Lancer AWM is just a step ahead of every other 5.56 mag on the market. _________________ Bill Wilson
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Pitt Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks
Who sells the Lancers? |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Pitt wrote: | Thanks
Who sells the Lancers? |
Wilson Combat sells them already modified for the 7.62x40WT and i believe others.... |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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well after going round and round trying to decide, ordered a 7.62x40WT from wilson....going to just get the upper as i have a few new lowers sitting in the safe that i like to build up...
ordered in the configuration of a Recon SR Tactical with muzzle brake/suppressor mount and will get the paperwork going soon so i can get the Whisper suppressor to complete the package:
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/r_recon-sr.htm |
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Isn't the difference between the .300 blackout and the 7.62x40 only like 100 fps? _________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 37 dead hogs |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: |
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yea according to Wilson Combat a 125gr 7.62x40WT is 125fps faster than the 300 Blackout...of course I imagine you can mess around a little with loads, just going by what is on there site....
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/762x40WT.htm
not looking to go subsonic, just cut down the noise and make a comfortable easy to carry package, with the 14.7" barrel with brake/suppressor mount and when adding the suppressor, length overall is about the same as a 18" regular upper
and i like the fact that I have thousands of rounds of .223/5.56 brass to form the cases, i've already bought 500 rounds of once fired from Wilson... |
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Ok I thought he said the .300 was not effective on hogs supersonic or sub just making sure.... _________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 37 dead hogs |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| think he was talking about subsonic, but I think the way you are setting it up or either with the Remington or Corbon loads which I think are 220gr subsonic loads, should do the trick on hogs... |
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HUEY Hog Cereal Killer

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| 1911man wrote: | | 300BLK is pretty much useless (subsonic or supersonic) for hog hunting. I'm having very good success with the 7.62x40WT using 125gr Sierra Pro Hunters, having succesfully killed over 40 hogs with it, up to 230#. At 7.62x40WT velocities this bullet performes like a bonded core deep penetrating bullet. Barnes is almost finished with development of a new 110gr TTSX specifically for this caliber and I will be testing them very soon. |
_________________ 2010 568 dead hogs/2011 224 dead hogs
2012 118 dead hogs/2013 37 dead hogs |
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1911man RESPECTED MEMBER
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| HUEY wrote: | | 1911man wrote: | | 300BLK is pretty much useless (subsonic or supersonic) for hog hunting. I'm having very good success with the 7.62x40WT using 125gr Sierra Pro Hunters, having succesfully killed over 40 hogs with it, up to 230#. At 7.62x40WT velocities this bullet performes like a bonded core deep penetrating bullet. Barnes is almost finished with development of a new 110gr TTSX specifically for this caliber and I will be testing them very soon. |
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Basically the 300BLK is not very suitable with light 110-125gr supersonic bullets due to accuracy issues and personally I don't think a non-expanding 220-240gr spirepoint is an effective hog killer. I have shot a few with subsonic 220gr Sierra MK and it's certainly not as effective as a 125gr Sierra PH at 2300-2400 fps MV and the baseball trajectory really sucks.....
Supposed to get the new Barnes 110gr TTSX bullets for testing next week.
We've now taken over 60 hogs with the 7.62x40WT. _________________ Bill Wilson
Circle WC Ranch
Cuthand, TX
www.circlewcranch.com
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: |
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got the dies in some made so brass
process, trim .223/5.56 cases down to 1.56", debur, then run through the sizing die:
only thing I didn't like is it will split the necks from the stretching on about one out of every 3 cases, but I get Lake City brass for free so have a bunch laying around, this isn't nothing new on other cases I have formed for other calibers where I had to stretch out the neck.
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Burt TB Ballistics guy

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: |
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You could anneal the case neck and shoulder area before you start modifying
the brass. Should cut down on the amount of splits.
I used to do that when making .33 Winchester or .38-56 brass from .45-70 brass. _________________ Ban guns to eliminate crime ?
Let's ban cars, to eliminate drunk driving.
Makes as much sense. |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:55 am Post subject: |
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yea i can Burt, I have a bunch of brass, as you can see the brass above was a bit dirty still after putting in the walnut media, I have a stainless steel pin tumbler that I use to usually clean brass, just was being lazy and threw it in the regular tumbler to see how this would form...
but I think I will anneal some Burt, softening up the neck/shoulder should work well |
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: |
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You could also switch out the expander ball to a .264 diameter, then switch back to the .308..
I used to use a .244 in working up 7mm TCU brass, and really cut down on the case damage.
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Bill Winfrey wrote: | You could also switch out the expander ball to a .264 diameter, then switch back to the .308..
I used to use a .244 in working up 7mm TCU brass, and really cut down on the case damage.
Bill |
Not a bad idea Bill.
Here is what I did, I just went upstairs and trimmed 10 cases and then annealed, then I took 10 cases an annealed without trimming, then I resized.
Of the ones I trimmed first, annealed and then resized, 9 out of 10 formed and only one had a slight crack.
Then I took the other 10 that I annealed first, then I trimmed and resized, 7 out of 10 formed, 3 cracked.
so maybe the way to get the most is trim first, anneal and then size. I know 10 may not be a good test, but I'll try it out and see how it works out, good thing brass is plenty (alot of cop friends lol). |
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Very nice! _________________ God Bless Our Troops!!!!! |
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:13 am Post subject: |
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got a response quickly from Wilson Combat on the case necks crack during resizing/forming and they said that they don't have the problem, they use new Lake City Brass and the annealing from the factory is good and haven't had any problems
so, I grab some new brass and some newer once fired LC brass, bingo, no more necks cracking....and as soon as I ran them through the die I could tell...
i guess I should have known better, oh well... all is good |
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Bill Winfrey Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Good to hear that from Wilson's..going thru multiple stages to neck up brass is time consuming..
I've only used the annealing process on my 45-70 brass in the past, I don't crimp anything in my 45-70's and leave the bullet out farther than the max recommended length, then close the action on the case to seat the bullet touching the lands..(T/C Contender, and 1873 Sharps) Annealing helped keep things from changing dimensions as much when fired, as we don't resize them at all......Knock out a primer, seat the new one, charge it up slide'er in, and Kaboom! Almost as fast as a muzzle loader.. I'll shut up now, I feel like a High Jacker..
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Heck Bill, you probably do that in the field if you run out of ammo from missing  |
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The new Barnes TTSX bullets are in transit to us and they report excellent accuracy from the upper sent to them for testing and reliable expansion down to 1300fps impact velocity. Can't wait to start shooting deer and hogs with them..............
Over 60 hogs down now with the 7.62x40WT _________________ Bill Wilson
Circle WC Ranch
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David K Texasboars Legend Club Elite

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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let me know how they work out bill and when they are available
Below is another pic of forming, left to right 5.56 case, trimmed, resized, and all the way to the right is a Barness 110gr TTSX
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